Ceramizer - Not available in the USA, but used in Government Vehicles

[Robbabob]

My step-son has heard of this for years, and just recently purchased it overseas for his 240ZX (or SX) from the '90s. His scouring the web led to threads stating certain government vehicles that reach high mileage (mail delivery and such) quickly have this stuff. Other threads indicated our government doesn't want it sold here because older cars would last too long; stagnating the car economy or something.

His statement after including the additive, "My rough idling went away after 10 minutes at temperature. Driving it, I could tell a definite improvement." He's a car guy, so I take his word for it. His 240 is his drift machine, so I trust his input is valid.

What say you guys? I searched for Ceramizer in our forum, but no conversations were found.

 

[dmanns67]

Sounds like another conspiracy. Never heard of the stuff before. What type of government vehicles is it used in, POVs?

 

[Grimor]

says it's a new technology, but the government had known about it long enough to form a conspiracy?

 

[SmokeyMcBlazer]

looks like I can get it in Canada, no conspiracy here lol...

 

[stickypoop]

Another snake oil for sure. It makes a lot of claims, most of which sound a bit out there.

" regenerates and reconstructs rubbing metal surfaces"

"magnetised oil particles .... adhere closely to metal surfaces and thus improve lubrication"

" metal molecules in the oil or lubricant are transferred to friction nodes and form part of the crystal lattice of the reconstructed metal surface"

 

[Einst-Hawk]

Another snake oil for sure. It makes a lot of claims, most of which sound a bit out there.

" regenerates and reconstructs rubbing metal surfaces"

"magnetised oil particles .... adhere closely to metal surfaces and thus improve lubrication"

" metal molecules in the oil or lubricant are transferred to friction nodes and form part of the crystal lattice of the reconstructed metal surface"

I agree.
Reminds me of Slick 50 and all the claims it had

 

[MAY03LT]

Seems legit.

 

[The_Roadie]

What crap.

 

[Wooluf1952]

If there are any solid particles in it, you are probably going to get a lot of P0014 codes. IIRC,the screens in the CMP (Camshaft actuator solenoid valve), will get clogged.
The same thing happens if you use Restore.

 

[Chickenhawk]

There are two problems with this stuff. Number one, it is an out-and-out scam. The science IN NO WAY WHATSOEVER supports what this stuff is supposed to do.

IT IS A SCAM.

Number two, the stuff is sold by multi-level marketers who come on web forums and ask innocent questions, such as "I heard about this stuff and would like opinions on it," or "My dad gave me a high mileage vehicle and I would like to restore its power." All this is done to generate interest in the product, sell a bunch of snake oil shit and then quickly go out of business before they can be caught and run out of town on a figurative rail.

Again, there is nothing in their claims that make the slightest bit of common sense, let alone supported by science. Garbage.

 

[Hatchet]

His scouring the web led to threads stating certain government vehicles that reach high mileage (mail delivery and such) quickly have this stuff.

No the gubermint sticks a hose in the engine during the oil change to clean out the engine before putting new oil in. And they use corn oil only, which is why the price of corn has gone up. They are taking it all.

 

[Robbabob]

Number two, the stuff is sold by multi-level marketers who come on web forums and ask innocent questions, such as "I heard about this stuff and would like opinions on it," or "My dad gave me a high mileage vehicle and I would like to restore its power."

Kind of makes me look like a marketeeeeeer, the way I asked about it is way too similar to your examples.

Perhaps my step-son exaggerated his experience.

I'll put this down as a complete BS product.

Thanks for the input.

 

[Sparky]

I figure that if something like that really was that great and existed that a ton of people would know about it and it would be all the rage.

Kind of like that supposed 100mpg engine that the inventor got murdered for, or bought out to keep quiet, by "big oil" or "GM" or "auto makers" or whatever other variation of that conspiracy theory there is floating around

 

[littleblazer]

I'm thinking no, I normally don't believe in any additives. Well except techron, I believe that works somewhat. And marvel, it's been around for a long time, and it is great for fogging the boat engine. And my thought is that if it does regenerate metal surfaces then it must have a metal in it to adhere to said surfaces, in which case it would have to pass through other surfaces in theory creating more wear. (since metal in oil is bad) I don't like it.

 

[Harpo]

There is a Finnish company called RVS technology that sells this or another brand of the same product called RVS.
They have been around for over 10 years.

I have read about it on the Swedish site,and it's some interesting reading but I never dared to try it.

When I looked for my previous minivan I talked to a guy who claimed that he used this stuff for 5 years in all of his vehicles.I don't know if it's any good or even if it works but here is the site.
http://www.rvs-tec.com

 

[HARDTRAILZ]

 

[kickass audio]

I would like to raise the BS flag as well. It may clean some components out like seafoam would if you soak them in it but it is not a magical liquid that fixes a hole in the engine for example. And to further it, anytime I hear the "my *insert family member name or relation here* said this", it is 99.99% of the time absolute bullshit. Just like my favorite, my cousin has a single 10" sub in his truck and blew out his windshield. Morons. lol

 

[Mooseman]

If it's anything like Restore, STAY AWAY! I remember Voymom using this shit and it plugged up the VVT to hell.

 

[Chickenhawk]

LOL! Sorry Robb, I was not implying that you were one of these pyramid marketers! But these are the ways they are "sold" and it is all too easy to fall prey to what seems on the surface to be a miracle cure.

The seat of the pants effect is very strong, especially when you spent a bunch of money, thinking it would work. I know my truck ALWAYS runs smoother after a car wash.

 

[littleblazer]

If it's anything like Restore, STAY AWAY! I remember Voymom using this shit and it plugged up the VVT to hell.

Agreed, in our trucks cases anyway. I can attest that restore works as a band aid to increase oil pressure, but it's very temporary at that, but it will put off a rebuild for a short period of time, or if you want to be that guy, if you sell it it will hide a problem. (Something like a regular small block without all this advanced equipment, it has its place in older vehicles and it will probably die with them.) I feel like it is sludge in a can essentially.

Edit: There's actually a can of it in the garage, my dad has it "just in case" if the escalade (well actually when) starts severely losing oil and knocking. That dam truck is the only one I've seen that you actually have to use the 3000k oil change interval. The truck burns a quart in 3000ish miles....

Back to the main topic, most additives = no effect or possible harm, a few do however work.

 

[Chickenhawk]

By the way, I did some checking. No government agency or police department has EVER used this stuff.

(Part of what my wife laughingly refers to as my "living" is testing police cars around race tracks and then writing about them, so I have some good contacts. I also wrote an article for a national police magazine calling nitrogen-filled tires the "biggest consumer scam of the decade." I love my job.)

 

[Grimor]

If it doesn't have an NSN, it wasn't used lol

 

[Einst-Hawk]

By the way, I did some checking. No government agency or police department has EVER used this stuff.

Did you check All guberment agencies? I read NASA used it in Spirit and Opportunity. You know conditions are pretty harsh on Mars. I found out after the DOD's twitter account got hacked.

Too bad we won't ever be able to confirm. Conspiracies. Conspiracies.

 

[IllogicTC]

The real secret to government vehicle life is they can afford to have it in for checkups and services at qualified places... by using the funds we would have used the same way if we didn't love DIY and didn't get those same dollars automatically removed from our paychecks!

I often see the law enforcement vehicles outside of a local shop that does tires, brakes, alignments, etc. as I go to church. Not necessarily anything wrong with the vehicle, but holding to a standard of maintenance pays off. Ask any of us around here who, even doing it the DIY way, have kept up-to-date on vehicle care!